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by Ashraf Laidi
Posted: Feb 20, 2010 5:00
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cat0nip
Frankfurt, Germany
Posts: 1632
12 years ago
Sep 2, 2012 11:05
DaveO that depends on time frame, and on instruments, whether or not one can create profit on leading indicators. Yields reflect assessments on safety and in many cases these come later in EU USDx JPYx.
To trade that fx spot is not appropriate , standard options is better, but one can successfully trade DOW SPX with 10y 5 y absolutely and by their spreads as a leading signal.
For GBP crosses, short sterling is also a nice leading indicator.
DaveO
UK
Posted Anonymously
12 years ago
Sep 1, 2012 23:56
Yes cat, like when peripheral 10yr bonds rise (yields fall) expect EU to rise and when bund and schatz rise the differential to japanese bonds rises so expect EJ to fall. When US 10yr, 2yr etc rise expect ES (SPX) to fall. (UJ I find is more unreliable) For intra day trading there is often a lag so this cannot be a straightforward leading indicator unless direction is maintained when the currency will ultimately react.
Qingyu
manchester, UK
Posts: 1763
12 years ago
Sep 1, 2012 19:47
keep in mind, Q3 2012 is the toughest period of china(from offiicials). 2013 March-May should have some good sign(not from officials).

also, FT said lower rate in sep or further easing may affact china banks yield.
cat0nip
Germany
Posted Anonymously
12 years ago
Sep 1, 2012 12:03
DaveO you mean bond yields are a leading indicator?
cat0nip
Frankfurt, Germany
Posts: 1632
12 years ago
Sep 1, 2012 10:59
yes China PMI decreased for the third time in a row.
An old friend of mine from university days who is married to a Chinese woman visits mainland China twice a year recently told me the yards of luxury car dealers such as mercedes and BMW are full to the brim with unsold cars, and a heavy discount battle is going on. Only SUVs and sports cars still sell at list price. I have already months ago shorted BMW and Mercedes the put options are so far 50% up.
I believe in China hard - if not very hard - landing.
DaveO
N.Cornwall, UK
Posts: 5733
12 years ago
Sep 1, 2012 10:49
oops, china PMI back into december negative territory.
DaveO
N.Cornwall, UK
Posts: 5733
12 years ago
Sep 1, 2012 0:41
cat, I keep very close eye on bonds/yields, also italian and spanish yields inverse to EU correlation. I find mostly a lag before currency reactions. Can you give any specific guidance on lags ?
DaveO
N.Cornwall, UK
Posts: 5733
12 years ago
Sep 1, 2012 0:37
I can't wait up for china pmi and mkts closed but gl @cat.
Qingyu
manchester, UK
Posts: 1763
12 years ago
Aug 31, 2012 18:24
ah, betting on china pmi. ;)
cat0nip
Germany
Posted Anonymously
12 years ago
Aug 31, 2012 16:39
started AUDUSD short 1.0344