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by Ashraf Laidi
Posted: Feb 22, 2010 5:00
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Commodity FX (CAD AUD NZD NOK)

Discuss Commodity FX (CAD AUD NZD NOK)
 
DaveO
N.Cornwall, UK
Posts: 5733
13 years ago
Mar 25, 2011 20:58
Yea and thanks for your own observations/experiences.

I think the % of consistently profitable traders is something less than 2% but we hear various figures? The average turnaround for futures traders is 3 months I am told and I think that # is verifyable. No wonder the trading education industry plus bot skams etc is so thriving :-)
Gunjack
London, UK
Posts: 1184
13 years ago
Mar 25, 2011 20:35
Good points Dave. Takes immense determination & discipline to win at this game. I wonder what the % of successful Vs unsuccessful traders globally is? Must be a land of giants and dwarves
DaveO
N.Cornwall, UK
Posts: 5733
13 years ago
Mar 25, 2011 20:22
A Trader's Path, No Escape.


38 Steps to Becoming a Trader
They are as follows:

1. We accumulate information - buying books, going to seminars and researching.
2. We begin to trade with our 'new' knowledge.
3. We consistently 'donate' and then realize we may need more knowledge or information.
4. We accumulate more information.
5. We switch the commodities we are currently following.
6. We go back into the market and trade with our 'updated' knowledge.
7. We get 'beat up' again and begin to lose some of our confidence. Fear starts setting in.
8. We start to listen to 'outside news' and to other traders.
9. We go back into the market and continue to 'donate'.
10. We switch commodities again.
11. We search for more information.
12. We go back into the market and start to see a little progress.
13. We get 'over-confident' and the market humbles us.
14. We start to understand that trading successfully is going to take more time and more knowledge thanwe anticipated.
MOST PEOPLE WILL GIVE UP AT THIS POINT, AS THEY REALISE WORK IS INVOLVED.
15. We get serious and start concentrating on learning a 'real' methodology.
16. We trade our methodology with some success, but realize that something is missing.
17. We begin to understand the need for having rules to apply our methodology.
18. We take a sabbatical from trading to develop and research our trading rules.
19. We start trading again, this time with rules and find some success, but over all we still hesitate whenwe execute.
20. We add, subtract and modify rules as we see a need to be more proficient with our rules.
21. We feel we are very close to crossing that threshold of successful trading.
22. We start to take responsibility for our trading results as we understand that our success is in us, notthe methodology.
23. We continue to trade and become more proficient with our methodology and our rules.
24. As we trade we still have a tendency to violate our rules and our results are still erratic.
25. We know we are close.
26. We go back and research our rules.
27. We build the confidence in our rules and go back into the market and trade.
28. Our trading results are getting better, but we are still hesitating in executing our rules.
29. We now see the importance of following our rules as we see the results of our trades when we don'tfollow the rules.
30. We begin to see that our lack of success is within us (a lack of discipline in following the rules
because of some kind of fear) and we begin to work on knowing ourselves better.
31. We continue to trade and the market teaches us more and more about ourselves.
32. We master our methodology and our trading rules.
33. We begin to consistently make money.
34. We get a little over-confident and the market humbles us.
35. We continue to learn our lessons.
36. We stop thinking and allow our rules to trade for us (trading becomes boring, but successful) and ourtrading account continues to grow as we increase our contract size.
37. We are making more money than we ever dreamed possible.
38. We go on with our lives and accomplish many of the goals we had always dreamed of.
Gunjack
London, UK
Posts: 1184
13 years ago
Mar 25, 2011 17:44
yeah same to you Ignore
Ganja
United States
Posts: 278
13 years ago
Mar 25, 2011 13:38
not confused, cuz don't care...whatever, whoever

gl

stay positive
Gunjack
London, UK
Posts: 1184
13 years ago
Mar 25, 2011 13:33
@Ganja No he suggested to lucky it's best to try and consistently make money with a plan which is good advice. My words were to best to stick with what you know. Lets not get confused about who said what now.
Ganja
United States
Posts: 278
13 years ago
Mar 25, 2011 13:26
'stick with what u know?' ok, if Dave said so.

just a humble monk
Gunjack
London, UK
Posts: 1184
13 years ago
Mar 25, 2011 13:15
@Ganja pan euro equities. It's what I mainly concentrate on now, with a small dabble in FX and commodities. Best to stick with what you know and consistently make money with as Dave says below. What about you Ganja, what's your story?
Ganja
United States
Posts: 278
13 years ago
Mar 25, 2011 12:43
what on earth did you trade for the bank???
Gunjack
UK
Posted Anonymously
13 years ago
Mar 25, 2011 12:23
Really interesting topic of discussion here and DaveO has made some v good points. Just to add my 2 cents. I traded at 3 banks in London since 2004 and was moderately successful, but the pressure and long hrs took their toll and having saved up enough decided to leave and run my own account. My first yr of doing that I was 11k down, mainly due to indiscipline (not getting up early and partying till late at night) and not having any risk mgrs to tell me off for taking excessive risks. This yr I am up nicely and only because of employing the same rigorous discipline when I traded the banks money.