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by Ashraf Laidi
Posted: Feb 20, 2010 5:00
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DaveO
UK
Posted Anonymously
13 years ago
May 17, 2011 13:22
If they can fix the tax issue that would change everything. But its so deeply ingrained I have my doubts. That problem is far far greater than the rest of euro zone. They need to default, its the only way out for them now in an impossible equation. The people haven't stopped spending yet, anticipating their own currency is nigh. Companies are preparing by buying essential equipment and supplies to take them forward the next few years.

As for UK privatisation of the railways, I agree that is the one exception to the rule. Transport infrastructure should remain in public ownership and very often will need subsidisation in the shorter term for the longer term benefit of the nation. Much of our infrastructure has been burdened by excessive immigration growth and being a member of the EU does not in any way help that specific problem we have. Bad enough having past commonwealth commitment pressures. We are a tiny island !

I think you have more confidence in the abilities of governments than do I :-)
subway90
Posts: 1078
13 years ago
May 17, 2011 13:13
Mach...

do you have any posi on Euro?

just a bit confused.... all i remember is that you were quite bullish on Euro 2 weeks ago mentioning anything below 4650 is a gift to go long.... and i remember you going long high 45xx level and said you'll be adding till 44xx level.... so just wondering what happened to those trades since you you've turned quite bearish last few days and it was pretty much a one way traffic since....


as long as Euro trades below 4340 level.... more downside favored.... significant support around 3950/60 area if Euro should fall below 4090 area.... above 4340 signals wave from 4940 has ended and could see some recovery initially to 4500 area and further to 4600/4650 area...

anyway... gl/gt
jacek
Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2579
13 years ago
May 17, 2011 13:06
sh.. EU missed target by a pip then reversed and hit my BE stop to go even higher:-( any MMs reading this forum?.. I didn't think my positions were worth front-running:-)
Machiavelli
Posts: 113
13 years ago
May 17, 2011 12:54
Sure, selling assets can be used to reduce debt (which is not evident given the socialistic-populistic underscore of Greek govs.) but then they'll be left without means to service the remaining debt. They need to raise assets not sell them. Meanwhile making government more efficient. And I've seen countries where the gov. can actually collect taxes and those countries are not necessarily any more virtuous than the Greek. If they can fix the tax issue, they won't need to sell assets. And EU citizens will not have to bail them out in the future.

Privatization can go awfully wrong too, think for example the train industry in the UK. Efficiency is always a management issue, not ownership. It doesn't matter who is the owner, if management does it's job. And then the gov. should be able to regulate strategically important companies like utilities, infrastructure, etc. for the (true) greater good.

And let's just agree to disagree on the issue of leaving the EZ would equal to suicide or not. :)

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Meanwhile, cable is forming another bait & switch day, and e/u agrees. I wonder what the yanks will think of it when they'll have their first cup of brown liquid that they drink.
DaveO
N.Cornwall, UK
Posts: 5733
13 years ago
May 17, 2011 12:36
It's also well proven that private sector is far more efficient than public sector. Nanny state is not a healthy situation. In UK the public sector workers facing redundancy are very fearful of the attitude of private sector employers in that public sector workers have a reputation for being lazy and non competitive. Been wrapped in cotton wool all their lives.
DaveO
N.Cornwall, UK
Posts: 5733
13 years ago
May 17, 2011 12:25
Mach I suppose (like in uk) they need to reduce size of govnmt by hiving off to the private sector. smaller public sector/larger private sector. My guess is in doing this it also provides the opportunity of raising capital on the sale of hard assets which would reduce some of their debt and thus lower the cost of servicing debt to some small extent. Trouble with Greece (as mauldin reported) is the entire well established culture of cheating on taxes makes everything a very uphill battle for the govnmt. Its why I think they should leave the common currency which would effectively throw the problem back with the people, back to basics !
DaveO
N.Cornwall, UK
Posts: 5733
13 years ago
May 17, 2011 12:15
Thanks cat, your observations always interesting :-) especially the IQ estimates :-) I noticed the gbpjpy move up on the back of higher UK CPI versus JPY negligable rate hike prospects. As you warned yesterday likely to be very choppy eur session today.
Machiavelli
Posts: 113
13 years ago
May 17, 2011 12:13
Dave, it's funny how it always boils down to this: 'you're in trouble, so sell your assets to us'. At depressed prices of course, since you're in trouble. But how's that gonna help? Selling factors of production can only result in lack of production. That only deepens the hole they're in.
cat0nip
Frankfurt, Germany
Posts: 1632
13 years ago
May 17, 2011 11:57
ecofin members all of them high IQ ( greater 25) continue to babble conflicting messages
"haircut light" is followed by " bailouts did not work therefore Gr needs more bailout money"
best can do is don't trade eur pairs . Stunning how deep JPY relative strength fell in asia trade.
Machiavelli
Posts: 113
13 years ago
May 17, 2011 11:31
Real volume disappeared again - when you try to hit b/o you get a fraction and the rest vanishes. I still favor south, but managed very tightly: as long as 4224 holds, a minimum from here is 4126, then 4050.