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by Ashraf Laidi
Posted: Feb 20, 2010 5:00
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Sir Ignore
United States
Posts: 3068
13 years ago
Jun 25, 2011 13:39
aye..keep me posted on how to do that..plz
jacek
Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2579
13 years ago
Jun 25, 2011 13:36
Yeah Sir.. anyway good to hear macrosam's views as one can often trend trade macrofund's views for really good pips:-)
jacek
Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2579
13 years ago
Jun 25, 2011 13:26
and as for EUR consequences of Feds QE in particular as this is EUR forum.. Fed's QE reducing demand for US$, makes EUR default backup reserve currency due to its market depth and liquidity.. this is particularly exemplified by various (Asian) CB book balancing EUR purchasing actions after currency interventions over last few years..
Sir Ignore
United States
Posts: 3068
13 years ago
Jun 25, 2011 13:23
jacek :) they already have ..
they need to get a room at the library :)
jacek
Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2579
13 years ago
Jun 25, 2011 13:07
wow guys.. take it easy on theory stuff or you lose 90% and many others here:-)

anyway let’s not overcomplicate things.. simply since “QE .. reduces US Treasury supply” this drives prices of every other financial asset as money have to be deployed somewhere if it is not real economy which is not.. and in particular reduces demand for US$ as various CBs are forced to look elsewhere to invest their reserves eg. in net issuance export countries like Australia and NZ.. eg. over 60% of NZ issuance is foreign own now and growing, and consequently pushing NZD far beyond fair exchangeable value..
cat0nip
Germany
Posted Anonymously
13 years ago
Jun 25, 2011 11:53
All correct from theory of money. Especially QE acts deflationary and ECB has apparently been founded on political contracts assuming a kind of gold standard ( Maastricht stability criteria etc.) . Further , eventually there will be one and only one world currency not neccessarily implemented on notes and coins. It could just be "information" .No good prospects for fx traders. No good prospect for "capitalism", either.
Nevertheless for the time being, the fixed exchange convertible regime is actually traded.
That is currency is money and hence an asset to own and hold.
Thus the question is how is the conversion , that is the price of a currency in terms of another currency determined. Basically, the present value is determined by expectations of value in the future. This is kind of a hyperset logically and a function which has itself as argument mathematically, the latter more usable and known as "chaotic".
But in practice I think it is just value at risk and hence depending on boundary conditions.
While apparently a set of differential equations exists, the focus is on determining boundary conditions..





macrosam
United States
Posts: 190
13 years ago
Jun 25, 2011 9:43
As a result, these "dollar flood" inflation trades seen in commodities, currencies, TIPS, etc., have been based on a laughably incorrect interpretation of QE, Ashraf included. We are not on a convertible, fixed exchange rate regime and have not been intertnationally since August 15, 1971 (and back to 1934 for the US domestically). Yet the financial markets, and Ashraf included, have been operating on obsolete fixed exchange rate/convertible currency paradigms. Most obviously implemented is in the Euro Monetary Union, which can't decide if it wants to abide by a long defunt quasi-gold standard or an actual modern fiat currency regime. The only constraints are the real resources. Currency was adopted because the barter system was too inefficient. The only constraints under a barter system are real resources and liquidity. A non-convertible, floating rate currency will move towards addressing liqudity concerning the exchange of goods and services, leaving only the actual real resources of an economy as the constraint. Currency is man made; it is nothing more than a scoring system. Currency is not an econominc resource; it serves no other purpose than to represent a unit of exchange. Currency is purely nominal and not the real resources of an economy.

macrosam
United States
Posts: 190
13 years ago
Jun 25, 2011 9:35
QE is not printing money per se, rather it is a redefinition of the term structure of government liabilities. Functionally QE is no different than what the Fed does for Fed Funds targeting with the exception that QE involves longer maturity securities and does not involve non-discretionary purchasing (due to the explicitly stated $600bn amount + balance sheet reinvestment from MBS securities winding down). Fed Funds targeting involves indiscriminatory buying/selling where QE, presumably due to political concerns, involves a discriminatory amount. Otherwise, QE and Fed Funds targeting is functionally the same procedure, just involving different maturities.

What QE does do is the following: 1) it essentially negates US Treasury issuance from the Treasury, net on net resulting in a comparable effect as if the Treasury never issued those securities (eventually bought by the Fed), and 2) it decreases coupon interest income that the private sector otherwise would have received (from the vertical component). The "profits" the Fed distributes back to the Treasury that are reported on an annual basis is no more than the net coupon interest income that otherwise would have gone into the private sector.

As a result, rather than being inflationary (QE is no more than an asset swap involving funds and securities that are confined to the inter-banking system rather than the incorrectly reported "flood of US Dollars"), QE is deflationary because it reduces US Treasury supply (less supply can drive a lower rate environment) and it removes coupon interest income that otherwise would have gone to the private sector.

The financial markets, including Ashraf, have completely misinterpreted the operational reality of QE even though QE has been performed a number of times in history (US Fed Chairman Marriner Eccles essentially executed QE in 1948 after Pearl Harbor, and Japan). QE is not a flood of US Dollars; it is not resulting in a surplus of US Dollars. Rather it is reducing coupon interest income that otherwise would have been paid to the private sector AND it is reducing available US Treasury supply.

cat0nip
Frankfurt, Germany
Posts: 1632
13 years ago
Jun 25, 2011 6:55
Finally even AL the emotional USD perma bear who just doesn't get what the FEd does and how this is different from ECB has realized
"The bond market continues to flash warning signals. We must stress that its likely that a major round of risk aversion is likely to show up in bonds first. Ten-year Treasury yields fell to 2.87% -- the lowest since the credit crisis. "
And that is of course USD negative....
(scratching head )
And yes the FED continues to "print money" and QE3 is just 'round the corner.
Nope.
The key question in fx is : how is the value of a fiat currency determined?
Hint: not by sentiment and not by chart astrology. It is applied maths.
The approach by Scholes and Black to determine option price holds also for determination
of value of currency. The Scholes Black partial differential equation has , as every partial differential equation, infinitely many solutions. But the idea is valid for currencies as well
namely perfect hedging of risks. Thus the value of every fiat currency is determined by its value at risk.
And yes the yields of bonds indicate the value at risk.
Thus from bond yields one cannot guess but just read what will happen with USD and with EUR.
No nead for charts.
DaveO
N.Cornwall, UK
Posts: 5733
13 years ago
Jun 25, 2011 1:44
Comparable target posted for TBonds at 126'185 and been bouncing off dat level last 7 trading days with an attempt to break today making high at 127'01 and closing back at 126'19. Monday will tell, with any further upside targeting 128'29 next.

Proverbial nightmare updating my charts after vacation :-(