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by Ashraf Laidi
Posted: Feb 22, 2010 5:00
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Gold, Oil & Indices (Equity & Bond Indices)

Discuss Gold, Oil & Indices (Equity & Bond Indices)
 
jacek
Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2579
13 years ago
Aug 22, 2011 13:13
however on gold regardless of opposite ideologies we are in total agreement Cat:-)
jacek
Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2579
13 years ago
Aug 22, 2011 13:04
whatever you say.. Comrade Cat..:-)

"everything connect to everything else" lenin




Qingyu
manchester, UK
Posts: 1763
13 years ago
Aug 22, 2011 13:03
Trading, are you german?
jacek
Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2579
13 years ago
Aug 22, 2011 12:59
no trading.. we are talking price of gold in US$ here!.. ok so you don't believe in US$.. then sell gold, buy treasuries, and hedge the currency..

cat0nip
Frankfurt, Germany
Posts: 1632
13 years ago
Aug 22, 2011 12:57
time is not a dimension of those price patterns . No it is not a dynamic chaotic system. What the heck has Mandelbrot set and its Hausdorff dimension to do with that? Nothing.
Hausdorff dimension is for similarity transformation of topological spaces.
Well this is not a math forum.
The fundamental error of chartists is the assumption that all markets are independent of each other.
I solve that entirely pattern - free with the value of the low-hi trade difference.
This is the only way to survive in markets which are not free any more in any way.

jacek
Australia
Posted Anonymously
13 years ago
Aug 22, 2011 12:49
Cat.. two dimensions are enough.. as long one of them produces a series.. btw time and price are enough dimensions for experinced leaf-readers to work with.. too bad if you dont believe existence of either:-)

anyway market price time series charts capture chaotic dynamical systems..

and FYI "..chaotic dynamical systems are sometimes associated with fractals. Objects in the phase space of a dynamical system can be fractals (see attractor). Objects in the parameter space for a family of systems may be fractal as well. An interesting example is the Mandelbrot set. This set contains whole discs, so it has a Hausdorff dimension equal to its topological dimension of 2but what is truly surprising is that the boundary of the Mandelbrot set also has a Hausdorff dimension of 2 (while the topological dimension of 1), a result proved by Mitsuhiro Shishikura in 1991.."
Trading
LONDON, UK
Posts: 57
13 years ago
Aug 22, 2011 12:42
"2.073%
3.6% but forecast is 2%
as for debasement of the dollar.. gold produces no cash flow and therefore has no intrinsic value.. US$ treasuries have.. "

Ok, so you admit that all things equal, just by holding treasuries you are losing 1.6%?
Any apperciation in capital of the USTs is cancelled out by the fact the the money they are valued in is being devalued.
How is that a good investment?
cat0nip
Frankfurt, Germany
Posts: 1632
13 years ago
Aug 22, 2011 12:39
jacek
that makes much sense
i made - on paper- about 200% with gold bullions and i am going to sell a few bullions for
a: US 2 y treasuries
b: USD cash
of course a motif is that the ECB is bankrupt and a bankrun can occur any time : deflation
then one has to have LIQUID currency
gold isn't liquid
jacek
Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 2579
13 years ago
Aug 22, 2011 12:25
....
Trading LONDON, UK

Is that a joke?
What is the yield on short term treasuries> What is inflation (CPI)? What is the real value of inflation due to debasement of $ when the fed buys treasuries?
You lose money just buy owning them.
....

no trading.. it's not a joke.. but first here are the answers..

2.073%
3.6% but forecast is 2%
as for debasement of the dollar.. gold produces no cash flow and therefore has no intrinsic value.. US$ treasuries have..

now.. treasuries have always been much better investment/trading option then gold.. even recently..
http://blogs-images.forbes.com/afontevecchia/files/2011/08/gold-10-year.jpg

simply sell gold/buy treasuries anytime.. but particularly when japanese 80s style deflation grips the world..




cat0nip
Frankfurt, Germany
Posts: 1632
13 years ago
Aug 22, 2011 9:55
Ah Jacek...
what is the dimension of those chart patterns...
although it is a line it is not 1.
And besides, as prices are not continuous, it cannot be a fractal dimension .
But anyway, if these patterns can be assigned a dimension, what is the value of that?
It has no value for the trader.
Changes of dimension reflect external influence. This is a method too high in the sky for chart astrologists.