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by Ashraf Laidi
Posted: Feb 20, 2010 5:00
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Ashraf Laidi
London, UK
Posts: 0
14 years ago
Jul 19, 2010 2:12
Hungary broke off it stalks with the IMF but 1.3130 still viable as long as we dont break below 1.28.

Ashraf
macrosam
, United States
Posted Anonymously
14 years ago
Jul 19, 2010 0:33
More dollar denominated debt:
http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=avNXnGsrVUmc&pos=1

External debt is managable if it is dominated in the native currency. EUR is a bit of a special case as the restrictions (both fiscal and monetary) associated with the currency make it comparable to the restrictive (repressive?) nature of gold as a currency, coupled with the incongruence of economies, results in debt that is really in no one's native currency, yet the currency must be used as such.

macrosam
United States
Posts: 190
14 years ago
Jul 19, 2010 0:28
As excess liquidity is no longer needed, EONIA should converge back to the refi rate of 100 bps. The rates you display show that this is occurring. This would be normal and healthy. Excess liquidity is what will push rates lower. Excess liquidity isn't necessarily needed, but in situations of no transparency and high uncertainty, it will be demanded. But all one has to do is see how much is deposited back at the ECB to see that there is excess liquidity. Banks will only be willing to incur that negative 75 bps of carry for so long. That is why EUR rallied when less EUR needed to be rolled upon the expiration of the 12 month repo a few weeks ago.
montmorency
Abingdon, UK
Posts: 610
14 years ago
Jul 19, 2010 0:16
Thought this was quite interesting:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10661748

Not sure how relevant here, but could be regarded as a piece of jawboning for a stronger Euro.
catnip
Frankfurt, Germany
Posted Anonymously
14 years ago
Jul 18, 2010 22:48
This depends somewhat on the respective CB's discipline. For example the ECB has to follow
rules which are , in economical recession, mutually exclusive. This aside, one cannot trace exactly whether China has indeed sold USD and bought EUR. There is one important question open whether the ECB has a liquidity problem. This table , published by ECB, is the daily EONIA
( date in DD.MM:YYYY)
16.07.2010 0,56
15.07.2010 0,49
14.07.2010 0,44
12.07.2010 0,39
09.07.2010 0,39
08.07.2010 0,40
07.07.2010 0,41
06.07.2010 0,42
05.07.2010 0,41
02.07.2010 0,44
macrosam
United States
Posts: 190
14 years ago
Jul 18, 2010 21:39
Every sovereign does this perpetual rebalancing, which is really intervention, though some are clearly more concentrated and direct bouts (i.e. recent SNB). Think of sovereigns managing foreign reserves no differently than fund managers who track indicies.
macrosam
United States
Posts: 190
14 years ago
Jul 18, 2010 21:32
These USD doom stories are misinformed and lacking perspective of the realities of international trade. China did what any asset manager would do.
macrosam
United States
Posted Anonymously
14 years ago
Jul 18, 2010 21:30
As long as there is a large amount of outstanding USD denominated debt, as long as there are assets invoiced in USD regardless of who and where they are being transacted (i.e. crude oil), there will be a strong demand for USD because that is the only way to pay down that debt.

There are clear, evident reasons for EUR rise aside from short covering, which clearly occurred. EONIA has been floored by the gradual yet progressive removal of excess liquidity in the expiration of the 12 month repo and the presumably limited lifespan on the remaining 3 month and 1 week repos. This has set a floor on front end rates, supportive of the EUR. If you saw last week when China's growth of 10.3% was released, it was also accopmanied by the release of China's overall reserve holdings (as China does not provide the transparency to identify the % composition of these reserves). Foreign reserves grew by the smallest amount in years. Some of this has to do with lower exports (trade accounting is flawed, but for the sake of this argument let's go with this). Less exports results in less USD and EUR China is long. But another driver of the decline buried within the smaller net increase has clearly got to be due to the decline in the EUR. China's EUR reserves lost value, while USD increased. Couple this with possible greater US export revenues versus EUR revenues (again, don't have this transparency), any asset manager would engage is a rebalancing of reserves that required both the selling of USD to decrease exposure and the purchasing of EUR to increase the % of the reserve bucket. This had to occur regardless of trade concerns. And those trade concerns are more effectively addressed by focusing on increasin domestic demand and consumption, which China is explicitly focusing on as China is not foolish enough to ignore the fact that external consumption in the form of exports is a ship that has sailed. Why do you think China is going to relapse into stimulus, even at the risk of restarting the bubble-like real estate market via a revisitation of their Western expansion strategy (originated in 2000 and put on hold)? Have you not read the stories of labor unrest, mid-skill labor shortages resulting in increased wages?
mo
liverpool, UK
Posts: 123
14 years ago
Jul 18, 2010 21:15
EUR/USD short term trend is to the downside as far as 1.3770 remains intact with targets at 1.1700
Posted Anonymously
14 years ago
Jul 18, 2010 19:09
euro 12680 first target on tuesday