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by Ashraf Laidi
Posted: Nov 19, 2009 21:57
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Oil Weakness May Intensify

Oil sluggishness may risk turning into a faster selloff, especially as the fuel fails to gain on recent USD losses.
 
Gunjack
London, UK
Posts: 1184
15 years ago
Dec 4, 2009 14:39
Hedgie I couldn't stop laughing at your last post...Asad is a Punter, nothing else, he wouldn't last 5 mins on a trading desk. I do look forward to the next instalment of his fantasy trading....Maybe this time him and his mate George Soros will join forces to solve the credit crunch
Hedgie
UK
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Dec 4, 2009 13:05
I know I said it's not worth arguing with an Imbecile like Asad but when I read the below paragraph I was in stitches....It confirmed my suspicion of him being a total fantasist

"Second, yes, when oil was heading towards 80, I, like ever, was calling it short...and even questioned (confused) Ashraf why oil was going up despite fundamentals being weak (& at least I firmly backed my analysis, unlike some who whore around w/ trends like a drunken monkey). I opened up a short position here (like many others on the Forum). Unsurprisingly, that proved to be as logical, as fruitful."


Asad did you actually read that before typing?? You backed your analysis??...Your more delusional than I thought. Your analysis of demand and supply...LOL...if you produced that rubbish in a real trading huddle you would be laughed out of the building. Also I liked how you so conveniently didn't mention the level you opened your short position...but it proved fruitful did it?? HAHAHAH....YOU were calling it short from 76 onwards, when it hit 81+ you would have been 500+pips down. You attack leverage so I presume you don't use it at all...So your extravagant winning claims are ringing hollow AGAIN!!!!
But hey I could be wrong and in that case Asad I suggest you send your CV sharpish over to Greg Coffey at Moore Capital as he always needs new traders for his macro fund...failing that Alan Howard over at Brevan Howard runs a great Macro fund...though word of warning they might not be too keen on running 500 pip losses on their trades. But I forget your an amazing gambler..oops I mean trader.

asad
London, UK
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Dec 4, 2009 12:55
Hedgie,

I take your point on the argument getting tiring; however, the fact that you choose to become personal AGAIN reflects upon your (im)maturity. Son, clam down. Staying calm is one of the virtuous traits of a trader...and you seem to be lacking.

Did you say you work or workED in the City. I can well understand why if it's the latter. Have a lovely w/end...


Asad


P.S. Carlco, my apologies! I consider the matter closed.
Hedgie
UK
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Dec 4, 2009 12:40
Carlco I couldn't agree more arguing with a imbecile like Asad who thinks he is some great trader is getting quite tiresome.

Carlco
bristol, UK
Posts: 151
15 years ago
Dec 4, 2009 12:12
i think the trolls have taken over this thread. u both need to shut up.
asad
London, UK
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Dec 4, 2009 0:36
Wow! That sets the record for the looooooooooooongest post ever!!


Asad
asad
London, UK
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Dec 4, 2009 0:35
Hedgie,

Man, I told you to start talking thereafter. What you're talking about is the past. Your dirty money's also a thing of the past (in which I, btw, have no interest). Ah, look who's gloating! You've REAL free time on your hands eh? :) Don't worry, you won't take long.

One..."gloating", "genius", "foresight" & "fortune" are your words...not mine. So own them. All I've ever shown are flashes of excitement...which, I'm certainly entitled to. But I innately remain a calm and 'landed' individual!

Second, yes, when oil was heading towards 80, I, like ever, was calling it short...and even questioned (confused) Ashraf why oil was going up despite fundamentals being weak (& at least I firmly backed my analysis, unlike some who whore around w/ trends like a drunken monkey). I opened up a short position here (like many others on the Forum). Unsurprisingly, that proved to be as logical, as fruitful.

And what makes you think that I double up on my loss? I defined my factoring yesterday (and the same I suggested a few others) - 1, 0.7, 0.4 when red & 1.3, 1.6, 1.9 when green (or whatever suits your margin or appetite). Do you get it or do I have to assist you like my 4-yo nephew? About closing out...well, if you didn't have funds to stay afloat...don't assume others can get shut out so easily! :) Or maybe they don't play w/ $1 in the bank and $100 in leverage? Hmm? Does this make you nostalgic?

About BNP, I was talking about their "oil prices have disconnected from physical reality (which, if carefully read into, translates to no demand/supply fundamentals being followed)". In these terms, I've been agreed w/ that oil HAS gone beyond real prices. That's that. And yes again...I still believe that oil price is majorly affected (not effected!) by demand/supply fundamentals (which also entail geopolitical events).

Now, you even had a chance to shut me out, but perhaps you were too obsessed w/ my finances to notice. Don't worry...i'll give you a piece of meat to lick! :)

I'd even written two months ago that oil prices will eventually fall to 50s in November (check again - you seem to be pretty free). Why I said it? Well, the largest oil inventories are at Cushings, US. They are still at a record. And even if you consider the world's oil supply at the moment, it's in surplus compared to sluggish demand. And believe me, if oil is in 70s, it's only because of its investment value (& the USD, ofcourse) - given the right fundamentals, it SHOULD fall down to that level.

Finally, your hahaha reflects a lot on your maturity. You said you worked in the City, right? Now go on & return after a couple of days w/ more 'research' on my posts. I await your analysis - anxiously!

Asad


P.S. I'm seeing that you're trying to have the last word...but bizzarely enough (for you), oil's at 75.80, so I can understand why, and WHERE, you're 'feeling' it. Right?
chloethebull
Posted Anonymously
15 years ago
Dec 3, 2009 20:43
hi ashraf, do u know what the concesus is on cad jobs # tomor ...fx street.com calendar not giving a #..ok thanks..travel safely my friend
Gunjack
London, UK
Posts: 1184
15 years ago
Dec 3, 2009 20:39
LOL @ hedgie's comments.

Markets seem to have become range bound ahead of friday's US jobs data
Usman
Lahore, Pakistan
Posts: 3
15 years ago
Dec 3, 2009 13:19
76.30 is 38.2% retracement level of oils drop from the $147 to $32 drop. The market has been been holding that level pretty good. Despite bearish demand figs and product inv yesterday we were not able to break that level. Not to mention the long term uptrending channel we are in. If we are not able to break the 76.30 level today, then $82 is certain where one has to look for a confirmed breakout before adding to longs.

@Asad

We have not only broken but also settled above $80. Please see the charts. I agree with you that fair value of oil is lower but we are day traders and swing traders and not investors. At least for me, what matters is day to day trend and weekly trends and not long term fair value.