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by Ashraf Laidi
Posted: Feb 22, 2010 5:00
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Gold, Oil & Indices (Equity & Bond Indices)

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Qingyu
manchester, UK
Posts: 1763
13 years ago
Mar 23, 2011 14:44
Coppers rise slowed by Chinese oversupply
By Jack Farchy in London


It would be easy to assume the world was about to run out of copper.

The price of the red metal, a vital cog in the global economy found in almost every building and electrical circuit, has soared past previous records to hit $10,000 a tonne earlier this year. And predictions persist that it could rise above $13,000 by year end.

But in Waigaoqiao, which as Shanghais port is the gateway to the largest consumer of the metal, copper is abundant.

The increasingly apparent oversupply of copper in China, consumer of 40 per cent of the worlds supply, has made investors nervy. Prices are down $750 a tonne from their peak in February and last week dipped below $9,000 for the first time in three months. Some physical copper merchants are gloomier still, talking of a disconnect between lacklustre physical markets and their paper counterparts.

Everyone has been looking at this as a very bullish year and the evidence so far has not supported it, says Richard Wilson, chairman of Brook Hunt, a consultancy. It requires a bit of a leap of faith.

One reason for the availability of copper in Chinese ports is its widespread use as collateral in lending deals. It has become a cliche among traders that copper is no longer just an industrial metal it is also a financial asset. Usually that is meant to refer to western speculators, but it is equally true in China.

Chinese companies including some with no connection to the physical copper market, such as property developers have imported copper to gain access to cash, as a means of bypassing Chinas stringent caps on lending.

According to Yingxi Yu of Barclays Capital in Singapore, such companies use short-term letters of credit from local banks to import copper, which is then sold to generate cash for other investments.

These import financing deals have brought more copper into the Chinese market, exacerbating a period of weakness.

Chinas economy may still be booming, leading to healthy industrial demand for the red metal. But, as copper prices spiked and credit availability in China has tightened, many companies have been cutting back on purchases, trimming their inventory levels.

At the same time, there has also been a surge in scrap copper in China driven by the record prices, further increasing supply.

Those factors have led to a sharp increase in stocks held in warehouses. Stocks in bonded warehouses, where the metal can be held before taxes have been paid, are estimated to have risen to about 600,000 tonnes from 300,000-400,000 tonnes in mid-December, while exchange inventories have jumped by about 160,000 tonnes almost exclusively in China and nearby South Korea.

That oversupply, traders say, has seen shipments to China diverted to other parts of Asia, while some metal is being re-exported from China, as companies in import financing deals start to lose money.

But the state of the Chinese market and so the outlook for copper prices divides opinion sharply. Bulls argue that the weakness in China has been driven by short-term factors, such as a jump in scrap supply late last year and destocking by manufacturers. Therefore, they say, China will soon need to return to the market, drawing down stocks and reawakening concerns of an impending shortage. Bears retort that Chinese buyers are unlikely to buy in great quantities until prices drop a good deal further and in the meantime they have plentiful stocks.

The disagreement has made the London Metal Exchange a battleground in recent weeks, with prominent hedge funds on either side of the trade.
The consensus still remains broadly bullish, with analysts arguing that the market could turn in the next couple of months. Max Layton, base metals analyst at Macquarie, says that when credit does get easier, the snap back should be pretty dramatic, meaning investors should see any price correction as a great and long awaited, buying opportunity.

In the bulls favour is the state of mine supply, which has seen a spate of setbacks, with production at four of the worlds top 12 mines set to drop significantly this year. CRU and Brook Hunt, two leading consultancies, see only minimal mine supply growth in 2010 and 2011 put together. Its a real possibility that mine production falls this year we only need some unforeseen major disruption, says Paul Robinson, head of non-ferrous metals at CRU.

Fundamentally, however, some believe that the unprecedented prices over the past few months may already have done their job, trimming demand and stimulating higher scrap supplies.

In that case, the large speculative investment in copper could withdraw en masse leading to a potentially precipitous fall in prices. As one seasoned investor puts it: A supercyle does not go in a straight line.
DaveO
N.Cornwall, UK
Posts: 5733
13 years ago
Mar 22, 2011 11:47
I would take a bet that Gadafi has bribed his force, carrot and stick approach here.
DaveO
N.Cornwall, UK
Posts: 5733
13 years ago
Mar 22, 2011 11:43
Its nice to see France at the front line for a change and particularly as uk resources will continue to dwindle. I'm surprised with your read Catnip in the face of Gadafi's 30+ year history. Ashraf must surely be the ultimate authority for middle east/n.africa affairs. I shall listen to him :-)
cat0nip
Frankfurt, Germany
Posts: 1632
13 years ago
Mar 21, 2011 9:35
Ashraf
Libya is not a done deal and Fukushima had to be evacuated. I see that most if not all
analysts go if then , they do not comment on else.

fxsignalstb.blogspot
United States
Posts: 4
13 years ago
Mar 20, 2011 23:55
Thanks, perhaps there are better shorts
Ashraf Laidi
London, UK
Posts: 0
13 years ago
Mar 20, 2011 23:39
CAD may rally in rising oil but EUR remains boosted by hawkish ECB so it may be too early for EURCAD to start selling off. If you chose to short at this time, be protected above 14320s in EURCAD.

Ashraf
Jalil
london, UK
Posts: 1
13 years ago
Mar 20, 2011 23:16
Ashraf, i think Catnip was refering to Gaddafi's body guards...
fxsignalstb.blogspot
United States
Posts: 4
13 years ago
Mar 20, 2011 23:05
Ashraf, do you think that EUR/CAD is a good sell at these levels expection oil to rise after a little respite last week, now that war has broken out, and unrest in Syria, etc.? Thanks
Ashraf Laidi
London, UK
Posts: 0
13 years ago
Mar 20, 2011 22:53
New Pip,

Gold's safe haven status diminished during sharp selloffs in equities as was seen in 2008 and earlier this week as a result of fund's selling some of their gold to absorb losses in stocks. It is a case of forced develeraging causing temporary pullbacks in metals. Only a China event risk would be considered a lasting negative for gold so far.


Ashraf
Ashraf Laidi
London, UK
Posts: 0
13 years ago
Mar 20, 2011 22:39
catnip,

Several factual errors in your piece, the biggest of which is your last sentence. To say Libya has supported women more than any other Islamic state is totally wrong. DO you know how many Muslim states there are? Tunisia, Algeria and even Morrocco are all countries with women ministers, Ambassadors, Judges etcc. Algeria is the first Arab country to have a woman running representing her own party in then last 3 presidential and legislative elections. Please make an effort in doing your homework before you make such statementsespecially in the presence of Arabs who happen to be familiar with these thinhgs. And when you say I assume the majority of Libya supports Qaddafi that is another statement that you cannot make simply based on a hunch, a feeling or an assumption. When I tell you that Libyas AMBASSADORS to the UN and other Western nations have ABANDONED the govt and are now speaking against it from their new sanctuary, that is a VOCAL HINT that the people INSIDE the country would be against him.

I do not need to add that I am Algerian and I happen to know a lot more about Nth African and Middle Eastern affairs well more than the average person.


As much as I support free speech in this forum, the discussion would be much more valuable and useful if people took the time to check their facts and statistics (Wikipedia or other sites) before making grand statements.

Thank you and keep up the great commentary

Ashraf